There was too much estrogen bouncing around in that movie. I like the idea of them all being the same, but Elsa being...Elis or Edward something. With both main characters being female, it felt reeeeeeeeally girly for no real reason. They were both tiny, sort of weak and sheltered girls, but on two different sides of the same spectrum. It was cool enough the first time you watched it, but if that didn't make you a mindless fanboi/fangurl, the second watching was where it got easier to notice all the faults. Why? Because you aren't captivated enough to not notice them. It slowly gets more boring every time you watch it. Poor Kristoff couldn't make up for itEstrogen.
Making one of the two main characters male, and the other female, brings it all back into balance. And making it Anna would just seem like a weak, wimpy man who wanted to be cool. She came across fine as a girl. But Elsa's character could do great things, and show better growth as a character as a male, and not echo so typically with so many female characters out there.
I mean, you can already compare Anna to Rapunzel, but it's a trope--no duh there are other characters similar. Elsa is reminiscent of Jasmine, Merida, and a million characters in the LGBT world of books, shows, etc. (which is why they latched onto her, saying her story is very similar to IrL stories of lesbians dealing with ostracizing and being told how they are is wrong, so they must 'Hide it, don't let it show". At least that's what I've heard.
Please, don't feed the fanart that thinks incest is ok....
In case you forgot, there are three main characters. The movie wasn't "bouncing with estrogen", it was overun by stupid five year old humor. To cater to the toddler audiences, Disney sacrificed Kristoff's screen time (which could have balanced out the female feel to the movie) so they could have a song sung by rock trolls and Jar Jar Olaf.
Kristoff really could have been a (finally) cool guy character. If you don't believe me, look up Kristoff's deleted intro scene. It depicts him climbing up a mountain with failing gear and using quick reflexes and non-linear thinking to make it to the top in one piece. But because they didn't, Kristoff became just as useless as the damsels in distress in other movies.
I did not see Elsa as an LGBT character, I saw her as a normal girl with superpowers. After all, that's what the movie was about. Disney was trying to take a step that would get a hold of the huge Marvel fanbase in an attempt to widen their audiences. Because of Elsa's unique struggle with her powers, Jasmine, Merida, etc. do not even come close in personality or character development. Elsa is the first character to be both an antagonist (villain) and protagonist (hero), and her greatest enemy was herself. I think that speaks more to people who feel out of sync due to their talents/skills.
And one final thing, how would you portay a brother/sister relationship powerfully enough to "thaw a frozen heart" without making it look like incest? Sisters are closer than brother/sister duos because like genders can relate to each other better.
Okay I swear this is the last thing. Yes, both characters were "weak." But y'know what? A lot of people (me included even as a guy) are "weak." Weakness is not defined by your presence or decisiveness, but instead by your inner moral character and your tenacity. I think that was probably the most inspiring thing about that movie.
Firstly, I got no incest anything off of it. Period. I think you're looking for it. Switching out a gender dos not equal incest.
Secondly, I agree with the five year old humor, but no; as a psychologist, let me explain: because both of the main characters were extremely effeminate, and because the movie didn't really center on anyone else, yes; is was wrought with estrogen IMO. And yes, more air time for Kristoff would have fixed this issue, but if they really wanted the story to remain all about Anna and Elsa, they would need to make Elsa Elis.
I in no way disbelieve you, but I simply stand by my statement up there. ^ His lack of air time would made this male Elsa a good idea.
I didn't either, but LGBT latched onto her for dear life because she IS VERY similar to many...many LGBT characters in literature and movies. It's the way her father taught her. And if you strip her powers away, she is a similar character. Powers do not a person make. We're talking about her base personality here. And she really wasn't a villain in it's truest sense. Their original idea was to be a reformed villain. They openly dropped it. She's a 'misunderstood side protagonist' as they put it. I see what you're getting at, and I agree, but it in no way is what I was explaining.
...omg, I can't touch that one. You must not have a brother. I'm very close to mine, and we have no incestual feelings. At all. Like, omg, ever. Again, switching out genders doesn't equal incest. I have two sisters. I'm not nearly as close to them. You're pretty much trying to force your incorrect opinion as fact. Not every sibling relationship is going to work the same way. Yes, typically, girls are closer than boys; but notice the word typically. And I don't relate to my sisters. I find them vapid and/or generally stupid. My brother and I jinx at least once a day, and have similar opinions about the world, dispite being raised apart.
I feel with one 'weak' character, and one 'strong', it would balance. After all, that's the basis of balance. The same of one thing as another. It would have been much better to show a male with that sort of 'weakness' come into his own morally. We've seen it with girls a million times because movies are afraid to show a weak male who actually changes for the 'better'. They'd rather make fun of him silently in the movie for his weakness. Yes, we see 'weak' males become main characters. Milo from Atlantis is a good example. But you know what? He wasn't nearly as impactful as a male Elsa would have been. I know several...SEVERAL people whom, when they hear 'Let it go', they hear a male singing it--especially now since Jesse's FMV came out--my brother, husband, mother, and I included.
....I'm a guy. That means male. If you were referring to a gender gap then you probably mean I don't have a sister? idk
Listen, I have an idea. instead of arguing back and forth about the problems with this and that storyline, how about we settle this the civil and totally more fun/productive way.
I'm a writer, so I know about the good and bad stories. (I've written enough of the bad ones.) I can see the pros in your storyline, and I do like some of them, I just don't know if they could outweigh the bad ones. So, since you seem creative enough, how about you tell me some things you would like to see in an alternate storyline, and I could write it.
I'm a guy, I'm 16, I have a sister. I don't think I could possibly be more qualified to think like an "Elis". And besides, I'm already objective to the story so I won't miss important clarifying details.
But I must warn you, while I can make it stay true to the core of Frozen, it will be different. As Albert Einstien once said, "If you change ze just vone variable, zen ze whole equation has changed und vill never be ze same." (No he didn't say that).
So, what do you say? We could make it a bet of sorts, or a challenge?
I'm a published author of damned near 30, with 3 books and an ongoing series under my belt... ^_^; I have a brother very close in age, and I also study many things about the general time period this story seems to take place and have been doing so for over a decade. So, now I believe you're simply arguing amateur opinion versus seasoned opinion, psychological education, experience, and general helpful knowledge... am I right? Please, correct me if I'm wrong. It just seems like apples to oranges... And I pride myself on the fact that family and friends accredit me me on my objectivity and unbiased nature.
Forgive me if I seem rude and/or snippy. I'm offended you made such blatantly disrespectful assumptions about me/ I mean, the fact that I'm a published author is plastered all over my dA page, and saying you're a 16 year old writer is like saying you're a kid who writes stories for fun. It doesn't compare. >
Why don't we just leave it as our opinions being different, that this video was awesome, and drop it, hm? It's getting petty at this point...
If you're such a damned good writer that likes to crush others dreams just because their totally reasonable opinion is different than yours, why don't you write the fucking book yourself? Huh?
I may be sixteen, but I have a lot more going for than you do. Don't you ever use my physical age against me again.
You know what I have? Huh? NOTHING. You have everything, publishing, connections, education, I'VE GOT NOTHING. Yeah I write for "fun", I write in hope of one day being a real author, and that's saying something because I'm growing up in a shit broke family! My dad is near dead, my mom can't find a job and yet you say that I'm not credible unless I have a shit load of money like you to get "education"?
I didn't know shit about you. I wasn't trying to offend you in any case. If you were offended, then you are too prideful to be using the internet. I was trying to take a deep breath with my last comment and solve our dispute without grenades. But no, you had to throw your list of achievements in my face.
You started this fight. My original comment was months old. You started this fight. You're the amateur here.
"Sorry if seem rude and/or snippy," but I live and breathe every day of my life trying to become something better than what I am now. I don't need people like you telling me that I'm an amateur.
If you hadn't been so rude, I wouldn't have snapped. Sorry, Kid. And btw, I didn't simply use my physical age. I pointed out my age offered me the ability to have studied and accomplished more than you could in the time you've had. By the time you're my age, you might have even more than me if you work to acquire it. Literally eight years ago, I was lucky when I ate dinner, and constantly had all of my utilities turned off in succession. It can get better. keep hope.
You made assumptions about me. The fact that you 'didn't know shit about me' only proves my stance. And I said nothing about money. An aspiring doctor isn't as trustworthy as an actual doctor. And just being published is nothing. Most of the literary field considers Stephanie Meyer a hack, but she's published. It's my years of effort and study (a lot of it not in college, btw) that makes a difference.
Honey, seriously? Replying to an old comment is HARDLY a qualification for being an amateur... You're speaking in anger and jealousy... Calm down and write more. Breath. Everything will be okay. ^_^